Phu Tran's Rose

Emelie · Post by **Emelie** » October 21st, 2005, 11:43 pm

thanks origami_8
Going to check and try it out! Good I think I fit in as a rose-folding-newbie

And TheRealChris
I'm not that well oriented with all rosestyles, I' a bit n00b. Haven't seen your site before, this forum is about the first I found, and sites I found on it. Haven't checked every single topic really

Germany work fine! Can't speak it myself but I have Germen friends that can translate it for me =)

I intend to use the flower in my bride-bouquet (don't know if that is the corect name for it, flower I going to hold in my hand

) And if I can fold them good enough, some for placing on tables as decoration. Don't think it's any problem with the diagrams I have looked at to that part, it's just my foldingskills that put a limit to how good the rose can look. Ofcourse every diagram have it's limit too

Didn't intend to insult you

... it's even hard to do that as I haven't checked it out and folded it yet

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » December 7th, 2007, 9:37 pm

Ok everyone! After much study of pictures of the much debated rose i have come up with a possible folding for it. If you examine the middle it looks strikingly like a kawasaki new rose. Also if you notice there are crimps much like the kawasaki but they are closer in towards the middle and they run along the grid line from what i can tell. There are two other crimps that can be seen in the picture one is one the outside of one of the larger petals and causes it to curl out a but. The bottom most petals (the ones that are reverse folded to form the locking device) also seem to have a bit of a crimp like fold on the edge. I have folded such a model using the 22.5 degree grid from the kawasaki and it is remarkably close if i might say so myself however seems a but off which leads me to think his grid is at a different angle.

As to the leaves and stem. The leaves and stem are separate. The stem is twisted much like how you twist the stem of a napkin rose and twist in the leaf. The leaf i have somewhat reproduced from a bird base, sinking the middle to create the four point(3 leaves and the bit to connect to stem) and it too looks close.

Don't know if you could make sense of any of that. I cannot post pictures because i do not have a camera but am getting one for christmas so soon!

There is a phu rose folded by Michael Sanders which you can see the things i listed a bit better than in Phu's more perfected version.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33165778@N ... otostream/

Sorry phu, i just had to share and if i hit too close to home it is only because i have been playing with folding this rose for a very very very long time. I do not have any copy of diagrams or crease patterns these are my own observations based on close examination of pictures of the phu rose.

Fc1032 · Post by **Fc1032** » December 9th, 2007, 3:36 am

Hi everyone! mrsriggins was right:) I found something on youtube that seems to be the CP for phu trans rose

I probably shouldn't tell everyone but it wasn't my video... so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsB6JGxIKa0
Hope we can unravel this "mystery" soon

Would the person who posted the video be in trouble by mr Phu Tran?

naabox · Post by **naabox** » January 22nd, 2008, 2:54 pm

that's my last Phu tran roses. Made from CP

Enjoy

by naabox!!!

JVega · Post by **JVega** » January 23rd, 2008, 11:10 pm

Hi there!!

Did you fold the stem and leaves too?... Can you post a photo of them?

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » February 9th, 2008, 11:34 pm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23352404@N06/2251486727/

Finally got the chance to take some pics

JVega · Post by **JVega** » February 10th, 2008, 1:09 am

I want to take a try to that rose, but without stem, leaves and calix it doesn´t seems so interesting... So I´d like to learn some of these to join with the flower..

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » February 10th, 2008, 7:36 am

go take a look at the leaves and stems topic in the diagrams section, there's some good stuff in there. viewtopic.php?t=629 there is a link posted for two free origami books that you can download from n. terry's site, one is wholly on flowers, stems, and leaves. Really the only impressive thing about phu's model other than the rose is the leaves. The stem is just rolled paper, nothing special there. From what i can tell the calyx he uses is the same as dan of toasters
http://danoftoasters.org/?page=3&image_number=3
but with an extra crimp on the end.
You can see a broken down picture of the elements (rose, calyx, and leaf) on michael sanders photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33165778@N ... otostream/
You can see how the calyx attaches to the bottom of the rose and is then twisted into the stem as is the leaf. I have a similar leaf model made from a bird base but it still doesn't look as good. Another way to replicate it could be through box pleating and dividing the square into 3 prongs, much like the stem with attached leaves and thorn that was made for the kawasaki rose. found here: http://www.ganymeta.org/~darren/origami ... =rose_stem
Also, check out adams page he has made up his own leaf, still with a twisted stem http://dreamyourwonders.blogspot.com/2008/01/rose.html and was even so kind as to make a video diagram on it per mine and another oragamists request, http://dreamyourwonders.blogspot.com/20 ... agram.html I think they look quite beautiful as well as more realistic as opposed to phu's pointed leaves. Let me know if you need any more help

Dan of Toasters · February 13th, 2008, 12:57 am

From what i can tell the calyx he uses is the same as dan of toasters http://danoftoasters.org/?page=3&image_number=3
but with an extra crimp on the end.

I can't tell but I really don't think that's my calyx.. I designed it more or less for the one variety of rose and I don't think it works well with the others on account of how the bottom closes up on those.

JVega · Post by **JVega** » February 13th, 2008, 8:01 pm

I know how to fold danoftoasters rose (By the way, thank you for making these instructions available, dude =) ), and I think that that calix doesn´t fits well with the "new kawasaki rose". So, as the Phu Tran´s one is closed in the same way as that (as Arthur Biernacki told me), I think that is not exactly the same. Maybe, a variation, as the rose itself.

What do you think?

eaglehorn · Post by **eaglehorn** » February 18th, 2008, 10:08 am

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » February 18th, 2008, 6:55 pm

Sorry I should have clarified more.

I refolded my calyx with my rose and I do Dan of Toaster's calyx but at the end I don't sink the middle in. I pull on the spiral to make a small square then that gets put into the bottom before the reverse folds and they are pulled tight around it. I will have to get some pictures of this process and post them. It is kind of hard to explain.

eaglehorn · Post by **eaglehorn** » February 20th, 2008, 1:00 pm

Dan of Toasters · February 22nd, 2008, 12:45 am

mrsriggins wrote:Sorry I should have clarified more. I refolded my calyx with my rose and I do Dan of Toaster's calyx but at the end I don't sink the middle in. I pull on the spiral to make a small square then that gets put into the bottom before the reverse folds and they are pulled tight around it. I will have to get some pictures of this process and post them. It is kind of hard to explain.

Let me know and I'll link to them for sure... I haven't done much tinkering with any of the new roses so I really didn't have much chance to work out a way to attach my calyx to them so if you found something that works, life is good for everyone

mrsriggins · Post by **mrsriggins** » April 1st, 2008, 6:11 am

I finally got instructions up for my version of dan of toasters calyx which attaches to the new kawasaki rose. Here's the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23352404@N ... 339617283/

I haven't looked at them too in depth so if there a point where I didn't explain clearly please let me know either through private messages or e-mail. Enjoy!